The finished products were amazing. My plan is to have the whole piece black except for the drawer facings… which I am leaving wood color. The piece will have to be sanded to rough up the surface still, but I think may go on really well to give the piece a more factory finish painted look, not a brushed on painted look. Used it to do a quick flip on a big project, it worked better than regular paint! A quick 5 minute going over the surface with 100 grit sandpaper and cleaning is worth the time spent for a long lasting finish. I will share this post. Hi Susan – On a dry sunny day that is around 78 degrees, a few hours will be enough. Did you leave the oil based stain on the furniture? Any giudance on how I should proceed? So that’s why this piece of writing is great. Anyway you can provide me with some helpful tips. It worked on both. And, if it is oil based, if your surface was finished with a water based product, will it adhere? After that time, if you sanded the surface and cleaned it well before staining, you won’t even be able to scratch it off the stain if you try. I recommend you doing some research about the product online (as there are a HOST of problems with this product). I like your post on this topic. Cost to use satin or flat paint for your walls varies greatly by region (and even by zip code).To get free estimates from local contractors, please indicate yours. The other is Kilz. Then paint the surface using light coats of paint, letting each coat dry before applying the next. I bought a beautiful dining room table and chairs from craigslist for $80 (pottery barn brand). I’m so excited I found this. I would love to see pictures of both satin … I first used the Minwax prep for soft wood and then applied three coats of the Polyshade. For shine – use a non-yellowing water based poly like Minwax Polycrylic or Zinseer Ultimate Polyurthane to seal it. any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Hi Diane!! Ive read online that it will eventually peel and easily gets nicks. Especially from chalk paint! To try to fix it, I would go over the entire stained surface with very fine sandpaper. I had a question. The tables look amazing. If you can buy a small can, you can give it a test on an unconspicuous area and see. - Flat vs Satin vs. Piano-Gloss Yeah that is why I went with the flat paint and a satin gloss. Letting the first coat dry well before applying the second. My college-aged son now approves of his old This End Up furniture. Do you think that the painters tape would have been better/easier? First sand, then use a gripping or bonding primer first. It just needed curing. I have heard from another reader that they thought it could be a bad batch of Polyshades. Let the surface dry and then add your second coat of stain. I did not know how to do this without getting that stain on the glass, so I put Vaseline on the windows. [email protected]. Just remember before staining to rough up the surface on all the pieces with sandpaper before applying the stain. If you prep the surface, stir the paint well, and apply light even coats you will get a great finish. Another reader asked if it came in white and it does, but I have never used it. I have been dying to have the pieces refinished in black stain just like you did on the line pieces. By far, I’m most pleased with the satin black sheen. I just bought a maple table from a yard sale and want to try to redo it myself, but to bombay mahogany color. I wanted a sleeker look and knew I could achieve that with stain. Milk paint is thiner than chalk paint, but you do have to have a binder mixed in it so it will stay on – otherwise it will chip off easily. It is only every cleaned with plain water . Hi Elisabetta – Try each one on the underside of the desk to experiment with both to see which one you like better. Or is the wood stained permanently? Every so often even as you work, stir the stain in the can. If you are hesitant – try it on a small area or least seen area of the dresser first to see if you like it. I would LOVE to see the This End Up furniture! Your hints are so helpful. The top surfaces of the furniture however are VERY slick and may be laminate not positive. thanks for taking the time to answer me so quickly. Another thing maybe was that the brush you used may have had residue from a previous project? I will note that since I posted the post you read, Minwax has changed the stain formula. Roll it on very thin. Flat Black™ & Satin Black™ are applied just like a regular 2K paint or clear coat so anything that can be painted with a 2K paint can now be painted with a customised and durable Flat Black™ or Satin Black™ finish. I did not know that this type of stain existed…no stripping, ya gotta love that! Hi Ann – Yes, you can apply the Polyshades over stain. I liked what you did to the black tables, but I don’t know if my table will work like that because it already has so much light stain and sealer on it. Few home improvement jobs deliver as satisfying a return for your investment of both time and money. Before & After Exterior House Painting Reveal, Adding a Kitchen Island to My Small Kitchen, Why I Like To Decorate Using the SLOW Method, Copyright © 2020 In My Own Style, Diane Henkler, Invaluable Painting Tips For the Home Decorator, Paint Recommendations for the DIY Decorator, DIY Chalk Paint Recipes For Painting Furniture, « How to Stencil Shower Doors with a Cutting Edge Stencil. I would sand it, not to the bare wood, but enough to smooth the surface down, then paint. They both have about the same sheen. You just never know – so don’t give up. I just bought an old library desk with dark walnut stain. I have both the polyshade in classic black and a black paint. I wasn’t sure if the stain would work on the tops of the bedroom set. Read the reviews on the GF line of products and you may end up changing your mind! I am very disappointed with the finish. What do you suggest I do? They are currently a dark stained chair but I would like them black. I am buying a wood table that’s is already black from an antique shop and it isn’t already stained black. Get Avery satin black here https://amzn.to/2NSpHzGGet 3m matte black here https://amzn.to/2CQJG0s Shot in stunning black and white, this picture has two people who look dwarfed by the crashing wave that is approaching the shore. You may have to use a few light coats. Thanks! Your a legend for sharing. The Polyshades goes a long way. If the table is simply stained with no protective finish, then you can simply go over it with 220 sandpaper to lightly rough up the surface a little. Loved your tables! Paint the furniture show the diffrent look . Wish me luck as I’m just beginning to lightly sand. It is too slick a surface and not porous like wood. Paint is for walls. Save flat paint for walls that are not going to be exposed to the wear and tear of a high-traffic area. I can see it in black and it has a lip edge so I can add glass on top with black and white photos under that. You may want to let the paint cure for a few days before testing the stain on top of it. I used the stain on two different surfaces – polyed pine and over gloss white paint on chairs. Such a huge transformation and thank you, as always, for sharing such detailed tips on painting furniture. Where did you get it? I would like to try this on that table. thanks!! The bottom isn’t a big deal nor are areas not likely to get bumped. I wish it came in more colors :). The wood is an orange colored oak. Thanks for your time, Sorry.. auto correct was trying to correct my wording. It was my mother’s & the top is all scratched up. gail. I am planning to do my bedroom furniture black. Thanks. Thanks! I love the results – smooth with a factory finish-like! Hello Diane, If your furniture has a shiny cherry finish you will have to sand it – to rough it up just a bit so the stain has something to hold onto. I tried the stain this morning. Follow the other directions in my post and you should be good. Stir…stir… stir. I painted my table with a brush, looks great. If so how much drying time? The trim and walls have been painted, new wood blinds, furniture, and lamps added. Well I’m not redoing the bedroom and wanted to do black like in your pictures. Any input? I would love to see them when they are done. Remember the blue trim on the living room windows and the 80’s country look? I always sand and clean a piece well before I stain or paint anything. But even this relatively simple task means having to make decisions. I cant decide if I want to spray paint it or brush it. If you are hesitant – try it on the underside of a chair or the table. I’m in love with polyshade now. Have it tinted grey. I stubbled across your site when i had sanded two chairs and a table and was over it. Even with the dark color of paint, the tannins in the knots can be seen in black paint, so I would go over the knots with a stain killer first. Thank you for your video. I had intended to paint them, but I worry that the painted surface will take a long time to really be safe for me to put my beloved books on. It will give you a richer color and smoother finish. When you apply a matte black car paint with an appropriate finish, it is a remarkably forgiving surface. This is perfect! Hi JM – I did not thin the stain. Posts: 2,569 Likes Received: 2,987 Joined: It goes on very smooth. If you paint and get this make sure to try and sand down past that level on the wood or else it may continue to crater or it may cover but create little indents where the craters were. Gloria, They look great! If you do decide to try, it does take time to cure… about two weeks. TFS! Flat paint’s matte surface absorbs dirt and grime from the environment, while that same dirt can be more easily wiped or scrubbed off of a satin finish. Hi Sue – I haven’t done it myself, but I think it would distress beautifully. I have a question; my grandma’s old furniture has ALOT of polyurithaine on it…. ... Black Matte Vehicle Wrap on an Audi. Hi Diane, I recently came across your post and decided to give it a shot with a couple of antique pieces of furniture I bought at a Salvation Army. One to two light coats. Ive used the black polyshade on a window seat and mantel. I plan on lightly sanding the top to get an even finish, as well as the drawer fronts, but would i also need to sand in the corners and small areas of the dresser design or could i just stain right over it without sanding first? Thank you for your great instruction! Once you like the color -re-coat the pieces that have the green tint and then use the good black on the rest of the pieces. Follow what ever the label says about how long you should wait to re-coat. If you are going to paint it black, make sure to have the primer tinted to black to help get better coverage. It may have nothing to do with the product and more about the how it was applied. This week I updated two pine tables for a client’s living room. The next coat should fill the holes and create a smooth surface. I have also used this stain successfully with a Wooster bristle brush made specifically for staining. I know I answered your question via email that you can use the Stain/Poly over paint successfully, but I asked my friend who did it over a two toned painted green and stained oak dresser. That could have changed adhesion, but not the color. I have a knotty pine dresser that looks just like your tables in this post. The stain works beautifully, but you do need to have nice long strokes for large areas to get a smooth streak-free finish. The other thing that might have occurred is there may have been unevenness on the surface before you stained. You will probably not have to repaint as often if you use satin rather than flat paint. Satin Paint $250-$470 (8x12-foot bedroom, labor included) VS. Flat Paint $190-$390 (8x12-foot bedroom, labor included) Cost to use satin or flat paint for your walls varies greatly by region (and even by zip code). Do you have experience with either painting or staining oak. For this project, did you end up having to use a paint thinner? Help!!! It does have to cure for a few days to a week, so let it sit awhile before doing a scratch test to determine if it will stick to the surface. Apr 5, 2018 at 9:00 PM #1 #1. To remedy the situation, wait a few days to a week for the rocker to really dry and begin to cure. If there is dust imbedded in the stain, then I would wet some 220 grit sandpaper and run it across the dried surface. The resins in satin paint do not just give it an attractive sheen but also create a tougher surface that can withstand scrubbing. If you try to fix it too soon , you run the risk of gumming up the surface. The decor in my dining room is asian and i think the black chairs will ready add a punch to the room. In my research I have found a lot of mixed reviews on the polyshades but I have found everyone that has used a chemical stripper has had great results. Thanks! I would wait until the stain is dry and run sandpaper over the surface and then clean and let it dry. Could you do this with Ikea furniture? Take it out into natural light and then decide if it is black enough. FIXR provides cost guides, comparisons, and term cheatsheets for hundreds of remodeling, installation and repair projects. If you used 100 grit sandpaper to sand the wood, go over it with 220 grit or higher number grit of sandpaper to really smooth the wood. Thanks in advance!! First of all-beautiful job on the pine pieces! Hi Diane. Flat Black The Rust-Oleum Stops Rust 1 qt. It will be too hard to cover with black. If you live in a dry climate – less time. Hi Nancy – There could be a few reasons why there are matte and glossy areas. A friend of mine did it on her bedroom furniture and it worked great. Newer pieces with a thin protective layer of poly over it are good candidates for the black stain, older pieces with layers of old poly or varnish are not. It doesn't have any of the gloss or shine, it also doesn't turn into a fingerprint magnet. If you use black, the knots will blend in, but you will still see where they are since they have a different texture. I have only used the black which is opaque when applied. Clean off the sanding grit and wash the surface well with hot sudsy water and then rinse it a few times and then let it dry. I did not know Minwax came in colors too. I was wondering what people think of satin vs. gloss? I think it would work just fine. That way your actually staining the wood and not stainging over a laqured table. Glidden Gripper is one of my go to primers. I was left with a hideously stained desk that I have to reuse since i’m $957 over my original $123.44 budget. I’m going to try the stain, your tables came out beautiful! Expect about 7 hours of labor, so if you are hiring a painter, that will cost you between $140-$245. I would never have the guts to tackle staining. So I would just do a test area where you have sanded the painted surface a bit. The label says – Stain and Polyurethane in 1 Step. The only thing I don’t like is the fact that it is oil based. Thank you. Thanks Sue – I have only taken photos of using the black stain on the tables in the post you left a comment on. Would the color stain your using in the picture cover over the paint? They have a website where you might be able to find it. If you are new to my blog, you may want to check out my chalk paint posts. Then you can use the Polyshades I used in my post. They also have a little bit of a funny smell to them. I can’t afford that. I am your newest Follower. This way when you brush on the Polyshades it will not bring out any rough texture in the surface. Lots of scratches etc. Am on the fence about a shiny black vs flat black for my rig. Satin is slightly shiny but less than glossy. Its just what i want to do to my hutch and kitchen table. If after it dries and you can scratch it off – you may have to sand to roughen up the painted surface more. The finish will be flat until you seal with wax or poly. I’m trying to gauge how much I may need to purchase. Im painting a wooden wine rack black. About a month later I did a scratch test on it and I could not scratch it off. Do you think that its going to look okay with using the gripping primer and paint and stain the wood areas? I would like to get started ASAP. Feather the paint out so the new painted area blends in. would I just apply it the same way with all the rails? Do not roll the paint on hard, use a light touch so you don’t create air bubbles in the paint. Thanks! A: Flat, eggshell and satin paint are best for interior walls, whereas semi-gloss and gloss paint are best for trim and woodwork. If the barn doors are bare wood, you should use a primer coat on the entire surface first, then paint. I want to achieve the results you got when staining those tables black, but I sanded the top of a chest already so there is no more varnish, just the raw wood. Sand the table first to rough up the finish – a hand sanding block with 100 grit sandpaper will do the job. That looks amazing! Black stain can be applied right over any existing finish. thanks for linking up! The grey primer helps so you only have to paint one or two coats of a dark color over it to get full coverage. Satin Nickel rose to popularity with the Victorian and Mid-Century Modern design movements. It won’t look thick or heavy on your furniture the way paint sometimes does. LOL i meant a bed and dresser and Im now redoing the bedroom. You can use the PolyStain over already finished pieces. My question is, how durable is it? The other thing that could have happened is the surface was not the same smoothness all over. I love the way it looks against the white board and batten walls. how much stain did you need, i want to do a similar size table and 3 chairs? I like the fact that you can paint right over the existing finish. I love all things creative, colorful, and DIY. If I use the Color Poly Stain. For a kitchen table which gets lots of use, do you recommend a polyurethane finish or will the wood stain be enough? With a coat of wax and some buffing with a soft cloth, your dresser will look great. I bought my stain a few years ago. They are about 20 years old. It is from Italy so I am sure it has oil based paint or stain on it. Thank you. Post Reply. It may, but I have found that the formula has changed since I used it to stain the tables and also on white wood chairs. These paint finishes deliver a smooth, subtle look and show little to no sheen when dry since they absorb light. The chairs are wood tone and I plan to paint them using the minwax polyshade classic black. Scrubbing flat paint is likely to remove some of the paint rather than just the dirt. Using chalk paint does not mean you have to distress or make a piece look old. I never thought to stain something black, but you are totally right about it looking less heavy than regular paint! Its make furniture very smooth and gently . Was it stirred well, applied in thin even coats? Much better to use more light coats then one or two heavier coats. Hi Stephanie – To smooth out the scratch, just run a hand sanding block with medium grit -100 grit sandpaper over the surface. She used many coats of sealer on the top that is labor intensive. It is a very light shade of oak wood. Thank you! It will be gone. Thank you for sharing this very helpful info! Hi Diane! Question: I would like to change the color of my currently white latex painted bedroom doors to black. of paint on top of what already exists on these 1950’s era hollow wood doors. What are the steps for work in this proyect? Kindest regards, The smoother the surface (no grain) the better it will look. I also like that it has the Poly in it to add durability. It’s gotten me thinking about a couple of projects also. I found your website and I was so happy! I hate the glob. 2. Making black chalk paint sometimes ends up lighter since you need to add white powder to make it. Clean off and then repaint area using a few light coats so you don’t see a ridge in the paint. I recently decided I wanted to take an old bedroom suit and paint it black. Im not sure how far to sand it to, i bought sand paper of 120, due to 220 grit really didnt seem to do to much. Thanks so much The black stain looks great. Glidden makes one and so does Ben Moore. my can looks different than yours though, it’s a little hard to tell from your picture. Still has enough shiny finish but not so much that they get instantly dirty like my gloss set. Get it mixed to a grey formula – don’t use white. Polyshades is a very different than just plain stain. Should I Get a Pearl or Metallic Vehicle Wrap? If you go to Lowes or Home Depot you will see what they sell now in the stain/poly line and the colors available. It will smooth out the fork marks. I’ve never done this before, but I have a table that’s perfect for it! I’ve been wanting to refinish my kithcen table set for years! For a long-lasting paint job, it is best to use a coat of primer 1 first. Hi Jon – I did not like to see the grain so i investigated and found classic black poly shade glossy. I have 3 set of wheels for my X. You would still need to sand it a bit first to remove or at least rough up the glossy surface. This way you can see if you are covering the surface completely and catch any drips before they dry. Can I do the same using a lighter stain, does it come in white? Hi Chris – the black stain is perfect for furniture that you don’t want to add the thickness of paint. :) What do you think? Painting this same room with satin paint may add a couple of hours to the project because wall preparation can take longer to achieve a smoother surface, and painting may take longer. Well…I finally convinced my husband to let me paint our solid oak table and chairs black. Flat has no shine or gloss. Can I use clean rags to apply, so I don’t have to worry about brush strokes showing, I’m thinking it would be easier and even, and just throw the rags away rather then do clean up. So no I don’t add a coat of poly after. This has happened to me more than once when I paint something. :), I think I did something similar to my daughters, but with floral fabric :). When I read your blog I was so inspired to paint my dining room chairs. If the primer goes on white – you will need more coats of black to cover it. Wow, what an improvement! Turns out the guy mixing the paint put a little too much green in, and they have a green tint. Releasing a standard black and white to start off the Satin line I believe was a great idea. Let it cure for a few days and then do a scratch test to see if you can remove it with a fingernail. Thank you SO much, in advance, for any information you can get me! Or I heard of stenciling in a glossy black over a more matte finish on the front of the doors/drawers. Since your doors are large flat expanses, you may see streaks if the application is not smooth and fluid. I just switched the stock polished sport wheels to these satin black ones that come on the sport night edition, I really like them with silver. Hey there, great post. googletag.enableServices(); I was wondering about black stain for an outdoor project and came across your sight. Thank you!! Just wondering if you used it and if so, how did you apply it. I am willing to let it cure a few weeks if I need too! Can I use liquid sandpaper instead of hand sanding? Since you said you stirred the stain well, and used the right brush – The only other thing that I know of that may have happened is the stain was applied with uneven pressure. Also my furniture has a lot of routed grooves in it which would be very difficult to sand so I am considering using a product called “sander/deglosser instead of actually sanding. Do you think the minwax is safe for a crib? After the first coat, where did you you let your piece dry? We are asking a few questions so that we can get you better cost estimates. Thank you so much for sharing this information. Clean the surface with a tack cloth to remove the sanding debris. I love the tips, and I love how they turned out! Just remember to give the dressers a light going over with sandpaper before using the black stain, especially if the pieces have a poly finish on them and are shiny. Do you think this stain would work for that? Also, how long should you wait for drying between coats? My Matte Black Fuel Recoil wheels match my PRO grille and B pillar vinyl wrapping very well. Loved your blog. Transactions. They are all a light oak color and I wont them a dark either walnut or expresso type color. Then add or remove the stain. 08 Red/Graphite and Satin Black Inside: Tint, Wet Okole 1/2 Piped Red/Black Covers, Black Weathertech Digital Fit Mats, URD Short Throw w/ TWM Weighted Knob, USA Spec iPod adapter. I could not get it to look smooth. Your email address will not be published. No matter whether you are using flat or satin paint, your walls need to be prepared for painting the same way. so I lightly sanded and did the second coat…still the same problem! 2. Another thing to consider to help with the black showing scratches is to add a clear coat.. What do you think? I first thought.. eek a black table – but it looks brilliant! That way there is always a wet edge to continue on from. 1. What do you think? please advise I have 5 tables to do. Also, did you have an issue evenly applying the stain in the nooks and crannies? I love the idea of doing this. I can’t wait to try the black minwax stain. Let dry. Through this furniture decorate our home and give the look great . Thank you ? I am doing some barn doors for a niece and was wondering if I had to prime tongue & groove boards (knots) if I am going to stain or paint it black? Mar 22, 2019 at 6:33 PM #4. (great post btw!) question…I am doing the exact same thing with 2 end tables that I bought from craigslist Before using, mix it well with a stirring stick and then while you are staining, mix it every few minutes so none of the solids in it settle to the bottom. It will probably be fine since it is meant to help adhesion, but since I didn’t use it, I am not sure. I think the stain black is better . Might be worth looking into. I am leaning towards the gloss, but see that many of the black wheels have been done in a satin finish. I never would have thought of stain for them; it’s amazing how you changed them from country to modern chic with a new color. Waverly Inspirations sold at Walmart in the craft section has black chalk paint that is affordable. You do not need a primer with chalk paint. I did this a few years ago and the formula may be different than what I used. Is that true? Hi Rowan – Melamine can be painted when you use a bonding primer first. Thanks so much! For this furniture did you use the satin or gloss finish? After that is dry, apply your paint. Clean off debris with a tack cloth. What grit sandpaper did you use? This ensures that the stain or paint has some “tooth” to attach to. Have been thinking of trying this but was unsure of whether to go with paint or stain. Live and learn!!! Turned out exactly how I wanted it. The black paint was fine for the most part b/c it is black and you can’t see the inconsistencies, but I also used antique walnut and it seemed to get sticky as I was applying another row and it didn’t blend well. Matte black on the other hand is a smooth "matte" finish. Thanks for the tip about the sponge brush.